Monday, January 26, 2015

The Louis Joliet Society asks for clarification on Marquette Campus Ministry’s ongoing LGBTQ Masses

After the suspension of Prof. John McAdams for apparently "bullying" by proposing teachers allow Catholic teaching on marriage to at least be discussed in class, we find that  the Louis Joliet Society reports it has contacted Archbishop Listecki in regards to Marquette's "LGBTQ" Masses.  
We’ve sent a letter to Milwaukee Archbishop Jerome Listecki asking him to inquire directly with Marquette administration regarding the nature of Marquette Campus Ministry’s ongoing LGBTQ Masses. (Next LGBTQ Mass is Jan. 28.) The letter was sent after a number of direct requests to Marquette, including a January 14 letter to President Michael Lovell (see letter at: https://docs.com/@100004705069502), have gone unanswered.

In our letter to the Archbishop, we point out that this is not a matter of ‘academic freedom’ or rogue student group activity, but of an official department of a Catholic university knowingly engaging in what we fear may be liturgical abuse. For this reason, we believe it appropriate to ask the Archbishop to address the issue directly with the University.

As we have said many times, The Louis Joliet Society fully supports Campus Ministry’s interest in sharing the Catholic faith with all members of the Marquette community. Our concern, however, is with their lack of meaningful communication about the nature of this outreach and whether or not it is consistent with Church teaching regarding sexual morality, specifically articles 2357, 2358, 2359 and 2396 in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

Please feel free to contact Marquette Campus Ministry (contact info at http://www.marquette.edu/cm/about/staff.shtml ) and ask them if their LGBTQ Masses are in line with Church teaching.

Please spread the word about The Louis Joliet Society and our efforts. We are just getting started.
Hopefully it's not as bad as a "Polka Mass," LOL.  (KIDDING! ... sort of)

12 comments:

  1. What is the Louis Joliet Society issue ? That LGBTQ Catholics shoudn't go to Mass ?

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    1. I think the question is how this relates to Catholic teaching. For example, if Marquette had a "Kleptomania Mass," obviously the goal should not be to encourage people to steal.

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    2. This seems to suggest that everybody who has inclinations (temptations) whether that be heterosexual, homosexual, or the urge to steal is beyond the horizon of the care of Church.
      Why do you assume having Mass with LGBTQ people is an encouragement for them to do things against Church teaching ? That assumption is rash judgement.

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    3. I am aware of LGBTQ Masses that do encourage folks to do things against Church teaching. There are also individual bishops and priests who do the same. To say the matter even amongst Catholic institutions is not generally agreed upon is short sighted at best. Wouldn't Campus Ministry want to advertise this as something contrary to what the popular culture is telling them? Isn't that what makes Christian life appealing in the first case?

      If I saw Campus Ministry offer a "Heterosexual Mass" I would clearly have the same question as to the nature of the message being presented, as it sounds like precisely the same kind of Gender Ideology that Pope Francis has warned against.
      http://abbey-roads.blogspot.com/2014/03/pope-francis-gender-ideology-is-demonic.html

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  2. not all but a good percentage of High School do things against Church teaching on sexual practice whether those sins be with another or alone....therefore Catholic High Schools shouldn't have school Masses
    according to Joliet Society and your reasoning.

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    1. The distinction is "Mass" and "LGBTQ Mass."

      Nobody opposes "LGBTQ Masses" unless they encourage "things against Church teaching on sexual practice."

      If a Catholic High School Mass was used as a venue to encourage "things against Church teaching on sexual practice" then it should also not be performed.

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    2. I am glad you get the point----"Nobody opposes LGBTQ Masses" unless they encourage "things against Church teaching on sexual practice."

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  3. And there's no such thing as "LGBTQ Mass." The naming itself is wrong and it accepts the false narrative of those setting the gender theory agenda. We don't have the authority to name Masses after this or that interest group. There is only "the holy Sacrifice of the Mass" or simply, "the Mass." All this p.c. blending with the liturgy only confuses people. We cannot start adding labels to the liturgy. It is 100% God's gift to us and we simply receive it.

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  4. Regarding Homosexuality -

    1) Sacred Scripture (Catholic Bible) which contains the speech of God in entirety (CCC 81);
    Gen 19:1-29; Rom 1:24-27; 1 Cor 6:10; 1 Tim 1:10; Jude 1:7.

    2) "Catechism of the Catholic Church, second edition" which contains the Doctrine of the Faith in entirety:
    CCC # 2357, 2358, 2359, & 2396.

    3) " Letter to Bishops of the Catholic Church on the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons" includes:
    " 15...No authentic pastoral programme will include organizations in which homosexual persons associate with each other without clearly stating that homosexual activity is immoral.
    A truly pastoral approach will appreciate the need for homosexual persons to avoid the near occasions of sin."
    http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19861001_homosexual-persons_en.html

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  5. I for one am sick and tired of the self indentified LBGTQ... groups gaining influence in the church. We're all sinners in need of healing, by the homosexual groups revel in their sin and parade for all to acknowledge and applaud. Not only do they outward embrace their disordered sin, they are involved in oorganizations (social, political, and "Catholic") that further promote the homosexual agenda. Be advised, if these type of groups become more established, they will start demanding same-sex marriages, adoption, and partner benefits. I addresses the issue with the Archbishop lof Atlanta, but he still celebrated Mass at a Fortunate Families retreat - an organization that seeks "marriage equality". Don't expect an orthodox or courages response from your archbishop.

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  6. Quotes Against Sodomy:
    For centuries the Church has consistently opposed unnatural vice. Here is a brief sampling of quotes from Saints, Doctors of the Church, Church Fathers and Ecclesiastical Writers who condemn homosexual vice in their writings.
    1. Athenagoras of Athens (2nd Century) was a philosopher who converted to Christianity. He shows that the pagans, who were totally immoral, did not refrain from sins against nature:
    "But though such is our character, the things said of us are an example of the proverb, 'The harlot reproves the chaste.' For those who have set up a market for fornication and established infamous resorts for the young for every kind of vile pleasure – who do not abstain even from males, males with males committing shocking abominations, outraging all the noblest and comeliest bodies in all sorts of ways, so dishonoring the fair workmanship of God."
    2. Tertullian (160-225) Tertullian, genius/apologist of the early Church/Ecclesiastical Writer, commonly quoted by Popes and theologians. Treatise On Modesty is an apology of Christian chastity. Shows the horror the Church has for sins against nature. After condemning adultery, he exclaims: "But all the other frenzies of passions–impious both toward the bodies and toward the sexes–beyond the laws of nature, we banish not only from the threshold, but from all shelter of the Church, because they are not sins, but monstrosities."
    3. Eusebius of Caesarea (260-341) Bishop of Cæsarea in Palestine/Father of Church History, in his book, Demonstratio Evangelica: “[God in the Law given to Moses] having forbidden all unlawful marriage, and all unseemly practice, and the union of women with women and men with men.”
    4. Saint Jerome (340-420) Both Father/Doctor of the Church. In his book Against Jovinianus, he explains how a sodomite needs repentance and penance to be saved: “And Sodom and Gomorrah might have appeased it [God’s wrath], had they been willing to repent, and through the aid of fasting gain for themselves tears of repentance.”
    5. Saint John Chrysostom (347-407)
    Saint John Chrysostom, onsidered the greatest of the Greek Fathers/Doctor of the Church. In sermons about Saint Paul’s Epistle to the Romans, dwells on the gravity of the sin of homosexuality: "But if thou scoffest at hearing of hell and believest not that fire, remember Sodom. For we have seen, surely we have seen, even in this present life, a semblance of hell. For since many would utterly disbelieve the things to come after the resurrection, hearing now of an unquenchable fire, God brings them to a right mind by things present. For such is the burning of Sodom, and that conflagration!…"Consider how great is that sin, to have forced hell to appear even before its time!… For that rain was unwonted, for the intercourse was contrary to nature, and it deluged the land, since lust had done so with their souls. Wherefore also the rain was the opposite of the customary rain. Now not only did it fail to stir up the womb of the earth to the production of fruits, but made it even useless for the reception of seed. For such was also the intercourse of the men, making a body of this sort more worthless than the very land of Sodom. And what is there more detestable than a man who hath pandered himself, or what more execrable?
    6. Saint Augustine (354-430) Doctor of the Church. In his Confessions, he condemns homosexuality: "Those offences which be contrary to nature are everywhere and at all times to be held in detestation and punished; such were those of the Sodomites, which should all nations commit, they should all be held guilty of the same crime by the divine law, which hath not so made men that they should in that way abuse one another. For even that fellowship which should be between God and us is violated, when that same nature of which He is author is polluted by the perversity of lust."

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  7. Continuing on Doctors/Fathers commentaries
    7. St.Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274) Doctor. On Saint Paul’s Epistle to the Romans (1:26-27), explains: "Given the sin of impiety through which they the Romans sinned against the divine nature by idolatry, the punishment that led them to sin against their own nature followed..I say, therefore, that since they changed into lies [by idolatry] the truth about God, He brought them to ignominious passions, that is, to sins against nature; not that God led them to evil, but only that he abandoned them to evil. "If all the sins of the flesh are worthy of condemnation because by them man allows himself to be dominated by that which he has of the animal nature, much more deserving of condemnation are the sins against nature by which man degrades his own animal nature..."Man can sin against nature in two ways. 1st, when he sins against his specific rational nature, acting contrary to reason. In this sense, we can say that every sin is a sin against man’s nature, because it is against man’s right reason. 2nd, man sins against nature when he goes against his generic nature, that is to say, his animal nature. Now, it is evident that, in accord with natural order, the union of the sexes among animals is ordered towards conception. From this it follows that every sexual intercourse that cannot lead to conception is opposed to man’s animal nature."
    8. Saint Gregory the Great (540-604). Father/Doctor of the Church said, "Sacred Scripture itself confirms that sulfur evokes the stench of the flesh, as it speaks of the rain of fire and sulfur poured upon Sodom by the Lord. He had decided to punish Sodom for the crimes of the flesh, and the very type of punishment he chose emphasized the shame of that crime. For sulfur stinks, and fire burns. So it was just that Sodomites, burning with perverse desires arising from the flesh like stench, should perish by fire and sulfur so that through this just punishment they would realize the evil they had committed, led by a perverse desire."
    9. Saint Peter Canisius (1521-1597) Jesuit/Doctor of the Church, in condemnation said: "As the Sacred Scripture says, the Sodomites were wicked and exceedingly sinful. Saint Peter and Saint Paul condemn this nefarious and depraved sin. In fact, the Scripture denounces this enormous indecency thus: 'The scandal of Sodomites and Gomorrhans has multiplied and their sins have become grave beyond measure.' So the angels said to just Lot, who totally abhorred the depravity of the Sodomites: 'Let us leave this city....' Holy Scripture does not fail to mention the causes that led the Sodomites, and can also lead others, to this most grievous sin. In fact, in Ezechiel we read: 'Behold this was the iniquity of Sodom: pride, fullness of bread, and abundance, and the idleness of her, and of her daughters: and they did not put forth their hand to the needy, and the poor. And they were lifted up, and committed abominations before me; and I took them away as thou hast seen' (Ezech. 16: 49-50). Those unashamed of violating divine and natural law are slaves of this never sufficiently execrated depravity."

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